Posted by Rome on September 30, 1999 at 05:30:08:
In Reply to: hmm you make an interesting point but i believe that it is a bit flawed posted by Enthrack on September 29, 1999 at 11:13:37:
> Rome,
First off, these are three separate cabals. Dawn would not change at all. They would have the exact same duties as they do now, same powers and everything. They would be the same. (except for the fact that they'd have an item, and the other good cabals would lend some powers to them)
>Though many people think so dawn is no more then the shield of the light.
Ok, I'm going to delete the tirade about the purpose of dawn, believe me, I have a good handle on it. I was the first person inducted after Saerin and that silly bard :).
First off, they are not the avengers of dawn, they are the avengers of the sun or something. They have their own cabal, located in a different place, with different leaders and different imm's in charge. It is QUITE possible that they will have many conflicts with both the children and the servants, but that is the point. They are separate and have different ideas, so they need their own house. The point of having three cabals like this is to MAKE people with different ideas work together to be their most powerful. Just the opposite of empire.
> I myself had many arguements with overly aggresive members of dawn when we were all part of the same cabal(most either relized they were to aggresive and retired from dawn to crusade in the path of the former knights or were expelled and made evil)
See? They would go join the avengers and everyone would be happy.
>As we all know sects within a cabal create in effect multiple cabals. Look at empire, they are so devided it is horendus especialy from an organization who seek to unite all of thera under thier glory.
Ok, three cabals, not three sects. They start divide and have to work as one. Get it?
> The children seem to be played just for fun like entropists and the avengers no matter how you look at it is an attempt to revive the knights.
Yes, at least you get the point. Children are the light hearted people of the world. They are the ones that the avengers and servants protect.. after all, it's got to be someone, right? Children are given powers to enhance exploration and make living in Thera fun and safe. The avengers are a lot like the knights, yes. After all, a lot of people want them back, don't they?
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> I see what you are trying to do is in essence very good but it takes away from the purpose of dawn.
>the avengers of dawn would step beyond the line of being a shield or even a spiked shield to become a dagger. This would create a lot of conflict with in dawn i think at least.
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eventually people would forget the original ideas of dawn. The dawn is only as bright as the servants that guide it. All servants are beat upon by darkwalkers to begin with. eventually something like this will occur. Children and servants with thier current powers will be the same, but the avengers will come in and be strong. slowly and steadily the avengers will be depended on to defend and regain items. They will become tired of this or come to thjink that they are the back bone of dawn.
ack! i am sorry but this isn't very well orginized. What i am trying to say is that your idea was well planned but in reality would not work very well i think. First the servants are all equal, giving them all different powers would change this, second the dawn has no item for a reason and that is because what thier item is is the hope and faitgh within each of them and once that is taken it never returns. I think that the children(the name at least) should become a part of entropy for they sound fun. The avengers though... i think twould be better to recreat a new order of knights in thera seperate from the dawn under the leadership of shokai. I know the imms are tired of hearing this but i think it is time that they returned. I have only heard stories about them so i can't know for sure but i hear that in general besides a few mad pkayers they were good and devouted people and they should have a chance to ride again.
these are just my thoughts and i do not know how heavely you should weigh them but i love the dawn and have had 6 chars in it. i believe that if you change it this radically you will only be inviting it to fall.
Enthrack jerico, the deceased, first seer of selric