Posted by priestess on August 25, 1999 at 21:40:42:
In Reply to: Re: questions about this battle posted by Vex on August 25, 1999 at 17:12:06:
How are they not holy????? > Learning, how dare you! I had to learn by walking five miles in the snow to find a log that barely told me something (other useless bitching *wink*) > 1. Agorinth keeps Harandor off-balance with trip and dirt, but Agorinth is a shaman and does not have these skills (according to the class tables at this site). How is he doing that? > Hmm, thats a very good question, well, I don't really know..but, I'll guess: 1)Agorinth could quite possibly have some sort of quest skill that allows him to throw his target off balance when he parries an attack by them. 2)I don't know what Agorinth was wearing, but I wouldn't be suprised if there were some sort of magic boots somewhere that tripped and dirted your opponent for you. > 2. Is Harandor really off balance to the point that the only non-'automatic' attack he gets to use is disarm? Why no wrath, healing, etc? Is it because Agorinth has a Black Shroud and that blocks wrath? > Black Shroud doesn't block wrath, or anything for that matter, Black Shroud is just a sanctuary on drugs. Harador was being tripped quite often, though trip really isn't that nasty of a lag, but see my comments during the fight to guess about how bad Harandor was lagged by the trips. It's also possible he was laggy at his end, or trying to figure out what to do and messed up *shrug* > 3. Agorinth's dispel magic dispels communes? Why does dispel magic dispel communes? > Hmm, well, uhh...good question. My best guess would be as a balance sort of thing, if dispel magic didn't dispel communes, you'd have no way to dispel them, and dispelling is a big tactic, so, thats my best crappy guess at that. > 4. Is it my inexperience (I hope), or does the outcome of this battle seem a foregone conclusion? It appears that a paladin has little/no(?) chance against an Imperial shaman, for this reason: the shaman can dispell sanctuary, protection, etc v the paladin can't. The paladin's primary attack against evil, wrath, is inneffective against Black Shroud? > Nah, Harador coulda won this fight if he had done something other that disarm once than get slaughtered. However, he was summoned first, and that element of surprise may be what screwed him over. No, wrath is quite affective against black shroud. > 5. I notice that Harandor had righteousness communed, but it seemed to do nothing. The definition of righteousness is that it prevents weapons and attacks that are holy in nature. What are a shaman's communes if not holy? What exactly does righteousness do? It seemed worthless in this battle. > Never been a paladin, but my best guess is that righteousness would protect a paladin from anything filled with holy wrath, i.e. any sort of wrathing weapon or affect. And remember, Agorinth is a LE fire giant, his communes are far from holy. > 6. Overall, despite Harandor being very well equipped, all he did in this battle, except for the disarm, seemed inneffective. Is there an easy explanation for that? > Yes, dunno what it was because I'm not Harandor, so... > > Thanks for any help! Thanks, Dioxide, for providing a place for the grasshopper to learn! > > > > u > > [Exits: south down] > > A hallway in the inn > > [Exits: north] > > unlock e > > open e > > A room in the inn > > [Exits: west] > > close w > > whe > > get misty bag > > You get a misty potion from a large saddle bag. > > whe > > People near you: > > Alias: @target Harandor > > com fren > > whe > > People near you: > > whe > > whe > > whe > > You are affected by: > > whe > > quaff misty > > com summon Harandor > > whe > > com summon Harandor > > > Harandor wasn't thinking about fighting here, he was caught unprepared, big problem > > > > com curse Harandor > > com curse Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > Harandor is lagged > > com curse Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > I can't remember the lag time on trip, but Harandor would of hit disarm, and I think it should of come after this next round or so, but again, tripped and lagged. > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > com curse Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > com curse Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > Here Harandor's disarm comes off, Harandor will be lagged for two rounds now > > > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > > > com dispel Harandor > > You wield Golrhun the Great Axe. > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > > Here Harandor would of been able to enter a new command, his next most likely command would of been get axe, sac axe, get 1., or sac 1., but alas, he's tripped and that won't go through > > > Here get 1. or sac 1. would of come into play, but Harandor would of got a cant find that echo thingy > > com dispel Harandor > > com demonfire Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > Here Harandor attempts to disarm again, realizing that the weapon would of been picked up, thought it almost seems like Harandor made the fools mistake of spamming, in this case disarm. Either way, Harandor should of run like hell at this point and worded, re-do his defneses, something > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > com demonfire Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > com demonfire Harandor > > Harandor's acidic bite devastates you! > I think this is where Harandor gets back into action, but now he's blind > > com demonfire Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > > com demonfire Harandor > > You parry Harandor's acidic bite. > > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction. > Now, why isn't he doing anything.. I'd guess Harandor was trying to flee like hell, but kept getting a Your to scared thing, I was going to say he should or worded out, but that realized he was cursed, so he can't do that. > > cb come to the inn of balator > > People near you: > > cb Loot him > > l in corpse > If Harandor had been able to fled, he most likely would of drank his teleport potion, thought I can't remember if you can teleport while cursed. > Anywho, hope this helps in some fashion, to all those gurus out there about to bitchslap me for likely getting the timing of the trip lag wrong and not pointing out what the trip lag exactly is, to hell with y'all. > Vex
They are holy to his evil god...
and Holy to him..
just not holy to say Shokai and a Priest of Shokai...
but Everything agorinth did was holy to his god.
> I'm a newer player, trying to learn from reviewing the logs. Your help is definitely appreciated. This is the log that Agorinth posted. My qustions are:
> Oh, to start off with, Agorinth didn't have black shroud up, just plain ole sanctuary.
> Getting the drop on your foe is always to your advantage, and Paladins can take down Imperial Shamans.
> > Exits: east south up]
> > A villager passes by on their way about town.
> > One of the innkeeper's daughters is here, serving the inn patrons.
> > One of the innkeeper's daughters is here, serving the inn patrons.
> > (Invis) A gleeman is here, performing for the villagers and travellers.
> > An innkeeper is here, selling rooms for the night and mugs of ale.
> > An innkeeper says 'Hello, would you like some food or a room for the night?'
> > s
> > A hallway in the inn
> > ( 5) A freshly prepared bird is lying here.
> > A human warrior student trains in weapons and combat here.
> > A human member of the Balator town watch keeps the peace here.
> > A villager passes by on their way about town.
> > A villager passes by on their way about town.
> > *Click*
> > e
> > You open the wooden.
> > You close the wooden.
> > lock w
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > af
> > *Click*
> > You are affected by:
> > Commune: 'sanctuary' modifies none by 0 for 5 hours.
> > Commune: 'protective shield' modifies none by 0 for 6 hours.
> > Commune: 'armor' modifies armor class by -20 for 17 hours.
> > Commune: 'protection' modifies none by 0 for 17 hours.
> > Commune: 'detect invis' modifies none by 0 for 44 hours.
> > Commune: 'infravision' modifies none by 0 for 83 hours.
> > Skill: 'warcry' modifies save vs spell by -12 for 3 hours.
> > Skill: 'warcry' modifies hit roll by 6 for 3 hours.
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > wake
> > You are already standing.
> > whe
> > You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
> > You are filled with holy wrath!
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > af
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Harandor On the Merchant's Road
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > Commune: 'frenzy' modifies armor class by 40 for 17 hours.
> > Commune: 'frenzy' modifies damage roll by 8 for 17 hours.
> > Commune: 'frenzy' modifies hit roll by 8 for 17 hours.
> > Commune: 'sanctuary' modifies none by 0 for 4 hours.
> > Commune: 'protective shield' modifies none by 0 for 5 hours.
> > Commune: 'armor' modifies armor class by -20 for 16 hours.
> > Commune: 'protection' modifies none by 0 for 16 hours.
> > Commune: 'detect invis' modifies none by 0 for 43 hours.
> > Commune: 'infravision' modifies none by 0 for 82 hours.
> > Skill: 'warcry' modifies save vs spell by -12 for 2 hours.
> > Skill: 'warcry' modifies hit roll by 6 for 2 hours.
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Harandor On the Merchant's Road
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > You quaff a misty potion.
> > You turn translucent.
> > You failed.
> > People near you:
> > (PK) Harandor On the Merchant's Road
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > Harandor arrives suddenly.
> > Harandor gets a misty potion from the Bracelet of Charms.
> > Harandor quaffs a misty potion.
> > Harandor turns translucent.
> > Harandor yells 'Die, Agorinth, you sorcerous dog!'
> > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction.
> > Your curse failed to take effect.
> > Your shield blocks Harandor's acidic bite.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Harandor is in perfect health.
> > Harandor deflects your chop with his shield.
> > Harandor parries your chop.
> > Seizing upon a flaw in Harandor's tactics, you trip him and he goes down!
> > Your trip scratches Harandor.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction.
> > Your curse failed to take effect.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Harandor parries your chop.
> > Seizing upon a flaw in Harandor's tactics, you trip him and he goes down!
> > Your trip scratches Harandor.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Your curse failed to take effect.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Your chop decimates Harandor!
> > Your chop decimates Harandor!
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Your curse failed to take effect.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Your shield blocks Harandor's acidic bite.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Harandor parries your chop.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Harandor disarms you and sends your weapon flying!
> > get axe
> > wear axe
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Harandor looks very uncomfortable.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Harandor's acidic bite mauls you.
> > Harandor parries your punch.
> > Harandor parries your punch.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > You get Golrhun the Great Axe.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Golrhun the Great Axe feels like a part of you!
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > The magic of the curse spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the curse spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the pass door spell unravels.
> > The magic of the giant strength spell unravels.
> > The magic of the enlarge spell unravels.
> > The magic of the enlarge spell unravels.
> > The magic of the enlarge spell unravels.
> > The magic of the enlarge spell unravels.
> > The magic of the enlarge spell unravels.
> > The magic of the sanctuary spell unravels.
> > The magic of the detect evil spell unravels.
> > The magic of the detect invis spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the protection spell unravels.
> > The magic of the armor spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the bless spell unravels.
> > The magic of the bless spell unravels.
> > The magic of the righteousness spell is unaffected.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > Harandor's acidic bite mauls you.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Harandor's acidic bite devastates you!
> > Harandor parries your chop.
> > Harandor parries your chop.
> > Seizing upon a flaw in Harandor's tactics, you trip him and he goes down!
> > Your trip grazes Harandor.
> > Harandor has a few scratches.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Your chop MASSACRES Harandor!
> > Your chop DISMEMBERS Harandor!
> > Harandor has some small but disgusting cuts.
> > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction.
> > The magic of the curse spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the curse spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the detect invis spell is unaffected.
> > The magic of the armor spell unravels.
> > The magic of the righteousness spell is unaffected.
> > Harandor has some small but disgusting cuts.
> > Your chop DISMEMBERS Harandor!
> > Harandor is covered with bleeding wounds.
> And remember, two round lag again
> >
> > Harandor tries to disarm you, but fails.
> > Harandor is covered with bleeding wounds.
> > You conjure forth the demons of hell!
> > Your torments MANGLES Harandor!
> > Harandor is covered with bleeding wounds.
> > Your chop DISMEMBERS Harandor!
> > Your chop MASSACRES Harandor!
> > Harandor is gushing blood.
> > You conjure forth the demons of hell!
> > Your torments MANGLES Harandor!
> > Harandor is gushing blood.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Harandor parries your chop.
> > Harandor deflects your chop with his shield.
> > Seizing upon a flaw in Harandor's tactics, you kick dirt toward his eyes!
> > Harandor is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
> > Your kicked dirt scratches Harandor.
> > Harandor is gushing blood.
> > You narrow your eyes and glare in Harandor's direction.
> > You conjure forth the demons of hell!
> > Your torments === OBLITERATES === Harandor!
> > Harandor is writhing in agony.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Harandor deflects your chop with his shield.
> > Harandor is writhing in agony.
> > You conjure forth the demons of hell!
> > Your torments *** DEMOLISHES *** Harandor!
> > Harandor is convulsing on the ground.
> > Your shield blocks Harandor's acidic bite.
> > You parry Harandor's acidic bite.
> > Harandor deflects your chop with his shield.
> > Harandor is convulsing on the ground.
> > You conjure forth the demons of hell!
> > Your torments === OBLITERATES === Harandor!
> > Harandor is DEAD!!
> > You hear Harandor's death cry.
> > whe
> > [EMPIRE] Agorinth: come to the inn of balator
> > (PK) Agorinth A room in the inn
> > [EMPIRE] Agorinth: Loot him
> > The corpse of Harandor contains:
> > the Bracelet of Charms
> > some leggings from the snow worm
> > (Glowing) girdle of giant strength
> > (Glowing) a wide copper bracelet
> > (Glowing) (Humming) the sleeves of Harrapia
> > (Humming) gauntlets of ogre power
> > (Glowing) a brooch set with blue stones
> > a long sword named 'HumanSunder'
> > a holy sword named 'Defiance'
> > a pair of black suede boots
> > (Glowing) the Cloak of the Deep
> > the circlet of the living seas
> > ( 2) (Humming) a coral ring
> > (Glowing) (Humming) plate of protection
> > (Humming) a carved blue medallion on a wide ribbon
> > (Glowing) (Humming) mace of dragonis
> > a shield made of boiled leather
> > a periapt
> > a potion of transportation
> > 74491 gold coins