Re: You're the bonehead, Septach

Re: You're the bonehead, Septach:
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Posted by Rune on December 02, 1999 at 01:14:20:

In Reply to: You're a bonehead posted by Septach on December 01, 1999 at 15:54:01:

> Scores of heroes are going to delete because of one entropy lich? Give me a break. Suck it up and find a way to beat him (and I can assure you there are plenty). You think fighting Zorszaul was bad, I had Golmagus (Scarabaeus), Draktha (who I later befriended), Oroxozarian, and Orodeth to play with. Everyone now days seems to think Entropy is overpowered (or so I gather from the posts I've read). Overpowered my ass. Entropy has *one* power of note while all the other cabals (with perhaps the exception of dawn) have two or three at the least. Think an 'invisible' lich is tough? Try fighting one with 1900hp. Try fighting one who can remove your dopple and manacle you.

First of all, I don't think anyone would delete over him, but perhaps quit, yes.
Second - Yes, I would by far rather fight those liches you mention, than one I can't see and that can enter my guild.
Being manacled is a choice. First of all you need to be wanted, second of all HE needs to get the first attack. Oh no, can he remove your dopple??? Then he is definitely insanely overpowered.
1900 hps? It doesn't matter that much with all the protections there is in the game, a smart lich has so much protection, when he is ready, that if he dies with 1300 hps, he would have died with 1900 as well.

> I am constantly amazed by the apathy players of cf can exert (myself included I suppose, but I feel I was justified in being upset with the nightgaunts before they were tweaked) as soon as a powerful character shows up. Whenever this happens, that class/cabal is much too powerful! Imms! Do something! Christ, if you can't find a way to overcome *one* power (dopple), you should be hitting 'delete delete.' Just out of pity, I'll give you a couple clues: 1) If you are ranking in Kiadana and "Biffy the Swordmaster" shows up, assume it's a dopple. 2) Constantly type 'c (offensive spell) newbie' if there's even the *slightest* chance it is a dopple. There are many, many other ways, but I'm trusting you to exert some small amount of mental power and think of them yourself.

Seriously, Septach, what you are proposing here will only work out if you are in a deserted area, we all know, that the times when dopple are really strong are in towns or in raids with many people around.
The reason dopple is unfair is that you have NO way to protect yourself against it. For someone like Zorszaul, who can PWK and sleep, getting the first attack is pretty crucial.
Do you think it is a coincidence, that the two most succesfull assassins have been entropy? One of them even admits dopple is overpowered.

> I'm sorry if this post is offensive, but I worked my ass off trying to make Entropy an attractive and competitive cabal. I suppose I should be glad in a way, because posts such as these show that I've seen my goals at least partially recognized; at the same time, this kind of apathetic behavior is deeply annoying.

Well, I appreciate your work, and I don't mind dopple. I DO mind that you can't detect the doppled people in any way though. Make it so you can type 'where Zorszaul' or something, as it was in the old days.

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I'm a bonehead? Septach 07:56:49 12/02/99 (3)
- Get a grip Septach Feliraz 06:03:44 12/03/99 (0)
- You can't "avoid" crowds all the time. And yes, it's only *one* power, but so were nightgaunts. So was tesseract, so was eyes of intrigue. So was charm person. These things all had the potential to ruin the game as well. n/t You Don't Want To Know 08:28:54 12/02/99 (1)
  - Give me a break... A Baron 14:43:24 12/02/99 (0)

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Comments:	> > Scores of heroes are going to delete because of one entropy lich? Give me a break. Suck it up and find a way to beat him (and I can assure you there are plenty). You think fighting Zorszaul was bad, I had Golmagus (Scarabaeus), Draktha (who I later befriended), Oroxozarian, and Orodeth to play with. Everyone now days seems to think Entropy is overpowered (or so I gather from the posts I've read). Overpowered my ass. Entropy has one power of note while all the other cabals (with perhaps the exception of dawn) have two or three at the least. Think an 'invisible' lich is tough? Try fighting one with 1900hp. Try fighting one who can remove your dopple and manacle you. > First of all, I don't think anyone would delete over him, but perhaps quit, yes. > Second - Yes, I would by far rather fight those liches you mention, than one I can't see and that can enter my guild. > Being manacled is a choice. First of all you need to be wanted, second of all HE needs to get the first attack. Oh no, can he remove your dopple??? Then he is definitely insanely overpowered. > 1900 hps? It doesn't matter that much with all the protections there is in the game, a smart lich has so much protection, when he is ready, that if he dies with 1300 hps, he would have died with 1900 as well. > > I am constantly amazed by the apathy players of cf can exert (myself included I suppose, but I feel I was justified in being upset with the nightgaunts before they were tweaked) as soon as a powerful character shows up. Whenever this happens, that class/cabal is much too powerful! Imms! Do something! Christ, if you can't find a way to overcome one power (dopple), you should be hitting 'delete delete.' Just out of pity, I'll give you a couple clues: 1) If you are ranking in Kiadana and "Biffy the Swordmaster" shows up, assume it's a dopple. 2) Constantly type 'c (offensive spell) newbie' if there's even the slightest chance it is a dopple. There are many, many other ways, but I'm trusting you to exert some small amount of mental power and think of them yourself. > Seriously, Septach, what you are proposing here will only work out if you are in a deserted area, we all know, that the times when dopple are really strong are in towns or in raids with many people around. > The reason dopple is unfair is that you have NO way to protect yourself against it. For someone like Zorszaul, who can PWK and sleep, getting the first attack is pretty crucial. > Do you think it is a coincidence, that the two most succesfull assassins have been entropy? One of them even admits dopple is overpowered. > > I'm sorry if this post is offensive, but I worked my ass off trying to make Entropy an attractive and competitive cabal. I suppose I should be glad in a way, because posts such as these show that I've seen my goals at least partially recognized; at the same time, this kind of apathetic behavior is deeply annoying. > Well, I appreciate your work, and I don't mind dopple. I DO mind that you can't detect the doppled people in any way though. Make it so you can type 'where Zorszaul' or something, as it was in the old days.

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