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Posted by Graham on December 11, 1999 at 05:25:06:

In Reply to: Re: THE LIGHT posted by Pico(IMM) on December 10, 1999 at 19:51:05:

> I would submit to you that Dawn has done
> one of the best services to the game by
> emphasizing that killing isn't the only
> way to get your viewpoint across to
> others...

but viewpoint is meaningless, nothing can be made of viewpoints, there is no inherent political structure in cf, no matter how much goodies complain there are still anti-paladin guilds and necromancer guilds in galadon city centre.
CF actively -invites- evil to pervade society and be utterly acceptable, evil in cf is no longer evil since it is the majority force, society in CF is not inherently good, the whole place is just one big udgaard.
Players in cf do not get the message that evil is bad since it is all pervading.
They only get the message that good = stupid.

> Everyone already knows that killing the
> other side is one way, good-aligns should
> have a beacon to show them their morality
> encompasses more than being on one side of > a giant capture-the-flag game of PK totals.

no the beacon shows them that their morality is a frustrated existance because no matter what the do or say or publicise their beliefs they still end up corpses for no more glorious a reason than they are sitting ducks.
You call into play the "capture the flag" scenario of pk totals , he who frags the most wins... but then what do the goodies have in return...
Situations where Darklings turn to the light
are so unique as to be generally ignored as a possible occurence...hell that ap can't change his guild and learn pacifist type abilities can he?
players are limited by the confines of the realm they inhabit (a wonderful place cf is , though it doesn't mean people can't reason out some of the more subtle flaws ..*cough* unlike some morons on irc *cough* who just take everything personal).

Darklings have a COMPLETE arsenal of things to throw at the lightbound and the good have nothing to return but meaningless words.
What effect do words have in cf? Hope that the guy deletes his character and starts a new one?

> Aside from the word "needs" I wouldn't mind
> seeing a holy war, a crusade, a group who
> decides evil needs to be actively and
> relentlessly cleansed from Thera. However,
> the supposition that a cabal is necessary > for this is flawed.

yeah well i tried that, got me nowhere...though i haven't read widowsons notes on empowerment yet.

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Comments:	> > I would submit to you that Dawn has done > > one of the best services to the game by > > emphasizing that killing isn't the only > > way to get your viewpoint across to > > others... > but viewpoint is meaningless, nothing can be made of viewpoints, there is no inherent political structure in cf, no matter how much goodies complain there are still anti-paladin guilds and necromancer guilds in galadon city centre. > CF actively -invites- evil to pervade society and be utterly acceptable, evil in cf is no longer evil since it is the majority force, society in CF is not inherently good, the whole place is just one big udgaard. > Players in cf do not get the message that evil is bad since it is all pervading. > They only get the message that good = stupid. > > Everyone already knows that killing the > > other side is one way, good-aligns should > > have a beacon to show them their morality > > encompasses more than being on one side of > a giant capture-the-flag game of PK totals. > no the beacon shows them that their morality is a frustrated existance because no matter what the do or say or publicise their beliefs they still end up corpses for no more glorious a reason than they are sitting ducks. > You call into play the "capture the flag" scenario of pk totals , he who frags the most wins... but then what do the goodies have in return... > Situations where Darklings turn to the light > are so unique as to be generally ignored as a possible occurence...hell that ap can't change his guild and learn pacifist type abilities can he? > players are limited by the confines of the realm they inhabit (a wonderful place cf is , though it doesn't mean people can't reason out some of the more subtle flaws ..cough unlike some morons on irc cough who just take everything personal). > Darklings have a COMPLETE arsenal of things to throw at the lightbound and the good have nothing to return but meaningless words. > What effect do words have in cf? Hope that the guy deletes his character and starts a new one? > > Aside from the word "needs" I wouldn't mind > > seeing a holy war, a crusade, a group who > > decides evil needs to be actively and > > relentlessly cleansed from Thera. However, > > the supposition that a cabal is necessary > for this is flawed. > yeah well i tried that, got me nowhere...though i haven't read widowsons notes on empowerment yet.

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