Posted by Someone special on January 4, 2000 at 14:18:003:
In Reply to: Arbiters posted by Jaldean on January 3, 2000 at 21:18:11:
> First, Thrakk, you were removed for clearly breaking a rule on the pillar, the 8th one to be specific, which you admitted to yourself. The first paragraph says that any infraction of these rules will result in removal from the Hall. As for being selective when enforcing this... belive it or not, we don't take sadistic pleasure in kicking people out of the cabal, or ruining their day. If the mistake can be remedied, we will often give the Arbiter an opportunity to do so. For example, if you didn't tell someone why they were flagged, or told them while invisible, those are mistakes that can be easily fixed with no negative side affects. However, if your mistake results in the death of an innocent person, or someone not getting a fair trial then dying, as in your case, then you will be kicked out. This is part of the problem, and one of the reasons I think Arbiters can be This just screams clueless to me. Why the fuck do you have Arbiter Lords. And if > As for having weak powers, if a 99.9% successful power word kill that hits out of range isn't powerful enough for you, I'm sorry. If you compare powers at high ranks, there are some serious weak points given certain Explain to me why this means you have to micromanage the cabal. Again, why do you have You do tend to micromanage way to much. You have a pretty extended leadership tree when It's tough to be an arbiter. If people aren't cursing you out for flagging/not-flagging, and I'm done.
> Since it seems to be a hot topic at the moment, some form of response is in order. I'm not interested in getting into a flame war, so I'll try and keep it short.
one of the shittiest cabals to be a part of. It's this all or nothing mentality
of the pillar/arbiter rules that doesn't make sense. In the end, all most people
have to do is jump through a few arbitrary hoops to get back in. One perfect
example is Xairiel.
> Saagkri, it says on the pillar that the only cabal Arbiters will war with is Entropy, I don't see how having no response can be taken for approval. Oh, and you were kicked out for attacking a raider when they fled into Ofcol, not for giving gear to Alfonse.
he doesn't get a response, what is he left to think. Making him a lord, you'd think
you were entrusting him to make decisions. Is the only reason you have lords is to
induct? That's pretty mindless.
classes. It's one of those things where preparation, and ability make all the difference.
> And finally, micro-management... when I hit 'note list' right now, almost a quarter of my notes are from people that want to bitch about Arbiters to me. Whenever I log on, I pretty much always get atleast one tell from someone that wants to complain about one thing or another. That makes up the largest part of my interactions, unfortunatly, since its rarely fun to deal with. Lords and Elders would often be partaking in these actions also, but there aren't any now as you pointed out, which happens to all cabals at one time or another, in case you didn't notice.
Lords? If there are problems with the rank and file let the elders/lords deal with it
If there are problems with the Lords, then it's time for the imms to step in. You follow
a logical chain of command in an organization the believes in order.
the positions are filled. The only time you should be 'micromanaging' if you don't have
the lords in place or if the circumstances really warrant it.
> That sums up most of the points that I could pick out. Feek free to point out anything I missed.
god knows what else, you are walking a fine line with arbiters rules. Be damned if you make a mistake,
because you'll be tossed. Yup, that's a fun situation to be in. What makes this system even more
laughable is the ability to get right back in, make another mistake, get tossed, and look get back in again.