Posted by Groaning on August 26, 1999 at 03:56:01:
In Reply to: Re: Let me chime in. posted by Dyston on August 26, 1999 at 03:37:56:
> Remember that defilers are supposed to be dealt with harshly. I have yet to Again, why is necessary to be nasty to someone just because they're misguided? > > I've seen you and Arantomir killing Ropitier(oddly an elven master) down in Aridhol, even though in all liklihood Ropitier has never harmed a forest creature. > So if you've never seen him defile in any way why attack him on sight? You contradict yourself in case you don't realize. Above you say that if there's a master that doesn't defile you'd leave him alone, now you say that any master must die even if you've no proof that they defile. This would be like an arbiter flagging entropy on sight just because they're anti-order and MUST HAVE broken the law at some point in life. Can you see an elven follower of Galadriel making it into Sylvan and following her religion very closely? Arantomir can't, and if it's impossible I call it dumbing down. > What do you suggest? Honestly, I think that success in protecting a low level mob would There have been numerous suggestions in the past. One was allowing a warder to parry or block attacks by defilers even if the defilers aren't in their range. If you tried to do it for another warder you'd get a message like "They can do that for themself." So what you're doing is supporting the dumbing down of your cabal because another has been dumbed down. I don't disagree with you here. I think the only thing you should look for is a willingness to protect nature in its entirety. A person should be willing to defend nature at all costs, but if he doesn't want to run to Eastern Road because there's a master there he shouldn't be frowned upon. If he doesn't want to raid the tower or the Palace because they hold their items he shouldn't be frowned upon. If he wants to sit on his thumb in the Emerald Forest and spend all of his time partying with the Poo-bah more power to him I say. > I've covered this as well, and I somewhat agree, and somewhat disagree. Has there You're not sure that Ropitier has, yet you all kill him on sight. *shrug* I could make a char like Rand Al'thor, copy everything from the book and still be fun to be around. Does that mean it's ok?
> see a Master that hasn't attacked a Warder. If there was a Master who didn't
> defile or attack other Warders more than likely I would leave them alone.
> As I'll probably point out again there is no war against magic.
> But you can't state that for a fact that Ropitier hasn't defiled or attacked
> another Warder. You can't say for sure whether or not he's attempted/succeeded
> in taking the sapling. I've watched this elf for some time. I haven't seen him
> defile or attempt to take the sapling. I've attempted to have conversations with
> him, but like the majority of Masters he's unwilling to do so.
> I'll say to you the "dumbing down" you talk about is not the case with the Warders.
> I see so many people come to me spouting the help file that I actually have to
> motivate myself to do interviews. I do think that the character who comes before
> me should have to fundamental view points, and do so according to his or her own
> story. There are some things I want to see because to me it's difficult to understand
> what it means to be a Warder without them. If I don't see them, I do make an effort
> to "open their eyes". Remember also that being an arcane muter, I get the opportunity
> to see what you are up to without you knowing it. The chat is only part of the package.
> not be too different if I had some ability to heal it. If you give everyone the ability
> to use a facsimile of the commune heal would that really change things much with a well
> armed low level group? You couldn't give them anything much stronger than that. If you
> suggest some sort of protection power that reduces damage done is that going to do a whole
> lot? What would keep Warders from casting it on each other. If they were able to you know
> people would complain.
> Think about the story line. Twist open declaration to have nature stamp out. The instruments
> of this stomping are the Masters and his followers. The other facet is the burning of FON.
> Why wouldn't a Warder deal with a defiling Master harshly?
> I agree there shouldn't be anything "set in stone", but there are things to look for. People
> who join groups for a cause have similar beliefs, and outlooks but usually come from different
> back grounds and experiences. Why should this be any different for a cabal in CF?
> been a non-drow/duergar Master who didn't defile (attack a Warder, defile nature or
> take the sapling)?
> I can see why Pikel might irk you, but he is seriously a boat load of fun
> to be around. I enjoy the time I spend around this guy. Ask anyone who's
> dealt with him, and I'll gamble that most feel the same.