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Posted by Jon (Ipsisimus) on November 2, 2000 at 21:05:47:

In Reply to: Since you're quoting me. posted by Nepenthe(IMM) on November 2, 2000 at 12:22:54:

Honestly I'm only going to comment on this because
your the only person worth listening to, that I know
is going to not agree or retort in some form (that's
just you)

> > Nepenthe:
> > "Incidentally, as a kindness I'd advise making no further characters along those lines. I'm sure there are some kinds of characters you could play and impress us all. It's my opinion that this is not one of those kinds."

> I'm not sure why you felt the need to take this as a slam rather than constructive criticism.

I took everything that day as criticism. Long story
short but after all the OOC stuff hit the game, I
was generally mad at everything.

> In my opinion you kept making three mistakes:

> 1) You kept making deception-based characters when this is seriously not your forte. Maybe all those characters were designed to be obvious compulsive liars who were constantly getting spotted at aforementioned lying, but I don't think so. This is not a big deal. There are a million roles that don't call for it.

True enough. I guess I always liked J's religion after
I got in once, out of I think 20 some odd characters
that tried after. After his religion died, I tried to
keep it going, but mostly in vain because he was the
only real Imm interaction I ever got. Even through
being empowered, tattoed, etc, Jullias gave me the best
interaction hands down. After that, I was basing chars
on deception, and not on the character. The goal was
good, but the method was all wrong. I got it right once
and screwed up all the rest.

> 2) You tended to make your character look bad by your own forum posts. I didn't know you were Cothurak at the time someone (TotW?) pointed out that you had a decent character but were just making yourself look like a whiner on the forum. . .but I thought "good for him" when you said "You know, maybe I am making an ass of myself, and I'll just stop posting."

When I played Thalen, I learned the hard way 'just dont
post'. Cothurak I did, in an attempt to get some ideas
out but they turned into "complaints". My friends all
say I sound like that on icq, or I sound like I'm
bragging...but I'm honestly not. Maybe that's why I am
never good at getting completely in character. Im a
professional actor (been on Nash bridges a bunch, etc)
and I could give you every emotion, etc, but I suck at
English and just don't know how to get the emotion to
text....it's just me I guess.

> 3) You tended to demand imm interaction and take it as your due, even when it was inappropriate. I remember how Ivaides just kept talking and talking to a visible Nepenthe. This immortal of Order/Masters doesn't give a damn that you want to follow Scarabaeus. He's not your buddy. He's not some guy you know who you make smalltalk with. He could care less if you live or die and you definitely don't want to draw his (or any immortal's) attention for absolutely no reason. I apologize for not killing Ivaides at that point; maybe it would have driven the idea home.

The whole Ivaides bit, you can blame on the famous
TDR (who disappeared as of late....ya out there?).
Ivaides got the shaft by Scarabaeus, since he just
left me there...but as I was considering deleting,
an AP showed up and suddenly started to probe for
questions, my beliefs, etc, and said I should continue
on in his leaving. It was extremely odd, but TDR
suddenly sends me an icq message saying "your not
talking to a mortal". I stood back and realized maybe
some Imm was trying to get me to stay, and I asked
who (should never have done it). You can guess who
he said it was. If it was his sick joke, I'll get
him later. If he was right, I just followed it up
bad.

And I don't demand imm interaction. I just want it.
I'm good at Pking, not as good as I want. Decent
roleplayer at times (really depends on the char).
Damn good at exploring and just base knowledge, but
I never got real Imm interaction. I did empowerment
from Scarab with a druid, and didn't get shit. I
did a shaman for Zulghinlour, got nothing (and his
OOC bullshit of not inducting me, but Dev's shaman,
really pissed me off). That's all I really wanted
from the game - Imm interaction. I didn't exactly
pick the roles that said "IT'S ME! INTERACT WITH ME!",
like in Troupe, but I still tried to do the impossible
and get known somehow...it never really worked out.
The only chars that did was Thalen (Dealt badly with),
Cothurak (Ooc shit...), and Dalninil (BT going OOC,
but I still got Immteractions(tm) with J). The rest,
I tried....but never really did.

>
> Take a look at Cothurak. He was a decent character. Took some chances, got into some fights, did all right for himself. Then you started posting logs and complaining about various things on the forum (1) and all it really did was cost you respect.

Yep

Sure, he got unempowered, but he was on the track to getting it back no problem.

Maybe, maybe not. Remember, Zulghinlour in the first
place was definately pulling OOC things with Sevarik,
knowing I was Ipsisimus, etc....and people can say
I'm just suspiscious, but I know these for facts from
Dev himself, and others who talk with Zulghinlour on
icq, and me getting forwarded messages about Cothurak.
Trust me, Zulghinlour might have, might not have, but
it was surely a bumpy ride.

Then out of nowhere you decide to try to turn him into a deception character (2) even though there is nothing at all in your role to support your assertion-out-of-nowhere that you have been a deception character all along and were just using Zulghinlour for powers.

The second I found out IC that Zulghinlour inducted
Sevarik (who didn't want to be a citizen but suddenly
was), and he refused to induct Cothurak, Cothurak
got angry real quick (Fire, etc) and wanted his
head on a plate.

This also brings in (3), because you're suddenly expecting an immortal who for the first 51 levels of the character's life has had no stake at all in the character to appear and grant you something you want (empowerment from Jullias) but really have no right to demand.

I never demanded it, I wasn't even expecting it, I just
wanted the interaction. You've no IDEA how long I was
praying for Jullias at his shrine, at other locations,
at SHOKAI'S shrine, etc. I spent one helluva time that
I felt was wasted. I sent a lot of notes when he didnt
start to respond to prays, etc. Then I find out after
Cothurak, that J's religion is gone and he never was
listening to prays to HIM. At least have the respect
to tell a would-be follower there is nothing to follow.
Sheesh, get rid of his help-file at least.
(Sad to think he side-stepped a bunch of prays for the
Violet Wood (nice area, but still) and other projects)

> To sum up: I don't think you're irrevocably a blight up on CF, but it's your birthday.

I can honestly say I was a little harsh on a lot of
things I said, including "quitting" CF, but a lot of
other things have come into play in me stopping CF.
Women, my job, college, and my ability to enjoy a
character fully. I've decided, after a lot of people
on my icq/aim/email/friends bugging me to keep playing
(they only want me because of all the shit I know. You
can understand the joy in knowing a lot of little neat
things, like aura scrolls/staves, barrier scrolls, and
everything else. "Knowledge wasted" someone said, since
icq is the devil and everyone tells everyone else)that
I'm gonna stop CF until the summer. Take a breather,
take a long break, come back with a new ISP (so I dont
have any past hatreds/memories following me), come back
on a new slate, never post, don't tell anyone anything,
and ride out one character during the summer. If all
goes well, I will continue (no where near how much I
used to play...it's my college years, have fun), and if
it goes bad, then tip my hat and walk off.

Just might make the character a Nepenthe follower just
for a good sense of irony :)

I can honestly say, in my entire CF visit, you've been
a very sensible and likable Imm, just because of how
respectable and ....predictable you are *smirk* Thanks
for the conversations and the advice. It's well taken.

Jonathan, and it's not my birthday

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