Posted by Groaning on August 26, 1999 at 02:47:31:
In Reply to: Re: Oh, what the hell... my thoughts posted by Mendeiron on August 26, 1999 at 01:14:33:
> Was it Dawn because of the way they dealt It was Dawn-like because originally they were all about protection. You wouldn't often see 2 or 3 Warders running around looking to make trouble for anybody, even their worst enemies. They were more reclusive, hermit-like. They'd spend rl hours in the forests helping people rank, watching for defilers, hell, they would even talk to dryads or whatever. They wouldn't bother you unless you bothered them. Now, I've seen the little warder gangbangs you guys have so don't try to deny it. I've seen Arantomir(now-gone), Hilaene, and others beating some poor master down for shits and giggles, even though that master wasn't in a forest at the time. I've seen you and Arantomir killing Ropitier(oddly an elven master) down in Aridhol, even though in all liklihood Ropitier has never harmed a forest creature. The I've no doubt you all are close, but I don't think there is much room for interpretation in the cabal anymore. Everything has become so cut and dry. Like it has been said before, EVERY cabal has been dumbed down a lot. You only see one kind of master these days, those that hate nature. You only see one kind of rager these days, those that gangbang and kill mages without ever saying anything but "Die mage!" to them. I know what you mean, I've dealt with people like that as well. I think the root of the problem is the ineffectiveness of the sylvan powers in doing ANYTHING to protect nature. I've been calling for a change of their powers forever now. I think it's time for imms to realize that a bard making the mobs flee is a damn joke. Shaman that frenzy a mob is a damn joke. Rangers that herb and armor a mob is a damn joke. None of this is going to stop that mobs death, unless in some freak event you happen to scare say a dryad into a devil's huntsman. CHANGE THE POWERS FOR PETE'S SAKE! Take out windwalk and beast call and put in two different PROTECTIVE powers. > I like to kill as much as the next guy.. I don't know about thought-provoking, but I'll concede the rest. My problem is that sylvan is as laid back as it used to be. Thera already has several cabals that are intense "seek and destroy" cabals. Sylvan was a nice change, and wasn't lame like Dawn is. There's no doubt in my mind that a sylvan would be chastised if all they ever did or wanted to do was protect the forest and not get involved in the wars, but that's exactly what the young sylvan was. Stay out of the wars and protect the forest. Those days are gone. Now you always hear "[Sylvan] WarderA: 'MasterX on Eastern Road, who can harm him?'" Everybody has to be so aggressive these days. *mutter* > Crystanthia was a joke. The history of the Agreed. > Which was really fucking stupid of him to do. Agreed, but Sebeok would've eventually done the same thing. > Lanthaeren wouldn't know Sylvan (or any, for I'm going to go ahead and disagree here, because I don't think there should be any set "Sylvan RP". I don't think there should be any set "Master RP" or any set RP period. As long as you roleplay SOMETHING that doesn't contradict any of the Sylvan "rules" then I think you'll be doing a fine job. > There's no war with Magic from our Now this is funny and I've already addressed part of it above. Sylvan might not think there's a "war" with masters, but you sure as hell don't go out of your way to avoid conflict. How many times have I seen a band of sylvan attack a master in Galadon even when it's not directly related to a raid? I don't think sylvan should ever take an aggressive standpoint, and should only attack in retaliation for something that happened recently. For example, masters take the sapling so you go take it back and kill anybody that gets in your way. I do not, however, think a sylvan should take the orb or codex. Once you have your tree you should retreat back into the forests and protect nature again. Again though, you'd probably be chastised for not wanting to take any kind of aggressive role because of the dumbing down of the Theran cabals in general. > Voss/Hilaene/Sebeok have/had very similar In obtaining this "direction" you've lost the freedom of the cabal. This really all centers on the "dumbing down" theory. > *chuckle* I was wondering what he means *slaps his palm to his forehead* You mean he actually says "doo dad"???? *groans* Swiping a name is one thing, not talking straight is another, but when you start copying mannerisms and words directly things gotta stop! Christ, does he have a green beard to?!?!?
> with each other, friendly/family like?
> handful of Sylvans now are pretty close, I
> think.. granted it's not so touchy-feely like
> the times of Eshlina, there's no chance of
> walking in on group mudsex or anything like
> that.. but Mend gets along great with all
> the current Warders, and truly cares about
> all of them.. I'd wager that all the others
> would feel the same way.
> I don't think I've ever asked some random
> person to come kill defilers, and have only
> asked Warders or applicants to help out in
> situations I couldn't stop. Given the
> ability I have to protect amounts to making
> mobs flee, I'm going to be talking to
> defilers every time. You know what? It's
> disappointing to do so.. without fail, I
> hear "Go away, fuckface" or "Oooh, a warder,
> I'm scared now" or other brilliant displays
> of roleplaying. It's truly discouraging, I
> don't think I've ever actually gotten into
> a well-roleplayed discussion with a defiler,
> and not for lack of trying. So when I hear
> that sort of lame-ass non-rping response to
> my pleas to speak rationally, you can be damn
> sure I'll call on someone to help if there's
> one available.
> But, I'm not going to kill the same guy or gal at the pit 15 times in a row to boost
> my pk-score. I certianly could if I wanted
> to, but that's really fucking lame, and in
> no way fits in with Sylvan ideology. The
> roleplaying within the cabal is the best I've
> seen in a cabal in my 5 years of cf, by
> *far*. It's not touchy-feely-mudsex rp, it's
> intense, challenging, thought-provoking rp.
> cabal in her time should be stricken from
> memory.
> that matter) rp if it bit him in the ass.
> His Sylvan time should be stricken from
> memory as well.
> perspective. We don't war with anyone. I'll
> freely admit that the Magic thing has made
> Sylvan less unique and more bloody, but it
> wasn't exactly their doing or choice.
> views on the cabal, and Sebeok's view of the
> cabal is far more preferable to Jezral's or
> Lanthaeren's. There never really was any
> direction under the previous imms, now the
> members at least know what the hell they're
> supposed to be doing, as Warders. When's
> the last time you heard of a Warder getting
> booted for running around with drow, killing
> forest creatures, or any of that ridiculously
> poor rp nonsense that was *rampant* during
> previous imms/leaders? I can't remember the
> last time, it's been so long. The quality of
> rp in the cabal has *greatly* increased, and
> it's much different than it was early on.
> But to say it's all killing-based is hardly
> the truth. There are often times when I've
> been asked to raid cabals or what not to
> kill folks, and have declined.
> when he says he's a "doo dad".